The Hockey News’ Matt Larkin responds to the State of Hockey News

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The Hockey News' Matt Larkin responds to the State of Hockey News
Sage words of advice for all by the French philosopher Moliere.

In 2005, the Telegram & Gazette of Worcester, Massachusetts fired Ken Powers for plagiarism, when the newspaper had determined he had taken portions of a Sports Illustrated piece on the New England Patriots and claimed it to be his own.  At the time, Powers was very indignant over the firing telling WBZ-TV (which was re-reported by USAToday), “I am disappointed that a 20-year spotless record doesn’t mean anything, the termination is a terrible injustice to me.”  In 2003, a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist from the New York Times, Rick Bragg resigned from the paper after it had been determined he had been using the work of an unpaid intern and using it as his own.  Bragg didn’t seem to feel too guilty about it saying that everyone at the Times did it and it was a common practice for reporters to rely on interns, stringers and researchers in their reports.  Even the New York Times admitted those personnel seldom got the credit they deserved in their contributions and after other ugly incidents then began sort of a re-education in journalistic ethics.

The Hockey News' Matt Larkin responds to the State of Hockey News
The Hockey News staff writer, Matt Larkin.

I am not condoning anything the aforementioned Mr. Powers or Mr. Bragg have done, but journalism is certainly in the midst of some dramatic changes as electronic media dominates the scene.  However the separation between journalist and blogger is a very fine line.  The only differences I can really distinguish between what quantifies someone as a journalist and a blogger is money (i.e. they are paid employees whereas there are very few paid bloggers and they are heavily supported by promotion and advertisers) and the other major difference is their access to teams, players and coaches and other league officials.  Yet before I begin let me give a you a tiny bit of personal history first.  Before I started this blog I was like a lot of fans who frequented hockey-focused message boards like Wild.com, Fanhome, Hockey’s Future and Metroboards.  While on Metroboards I was approached to be a writer for Most Valuable Network.  I had never thought about blogging and little did I know the path it would lead me towards.  Most Valuable Network eventually led me to Bloguin and over 9 years later I’m still here.  Woopty doo right?

I’m still just a blogger.  And between the journalist crowd and the blogging crowd there seems to be some tension.  I am sure to the journalists out there, bloggers probably come off as annoying.  We probably come off as combative and argumentative and some of them pepper journalists with questions the way they do players, coaches or general managers, and whether they wish to admit or not, we’re competition.  We represent competition for readership and the advertising money that makes the publishing industry a viable business.  So why would they want to admit bloggers contribute much of anything besides stealing bandwidth?   Yet on occasion, blogging can become a part of the media when it has gained enough readership.  Its why Grantland, The Huffington Post, Bleacher Report, Deadspin are now often cited as news sources by even established news media agencies.

On November 23rd, I wrote an article about The Hockey NewsMatt Larkin who produced an ‘exclusive’ list in the November 21st issue where he rated all 30 of the NHL’s fan bases using metrics that were amazingly similar to my own that I wrote in 2008, 2009 and 2010 respectively.  I took him (and Yahoo!’s Puck Daddy, Greg Wyshynski) to task for that similarity here but I never once accused him or the Hockey News of plagiarism.  Rather the focus was about receiving credit for the idea, as well as giving credit to others who also decided to rate all 30 of the NHL’s fan bases as I had done.  With that being said, I would like to apologize profusely for not mentioning The Bleacher Report Michael Stuart‘s 2010 rating the 30 fan bases slideshow, just 2 months after I wrote my last fan base rating here at Bloguin.  As was the case in 2008, I had no idea whether the article would elicit a response or even so much as a retweet on Twitter.  I mean, why should I expect anyone to care about an issue like this.

The Hockey News' Matt Larkin responds to the State of Hockey News
Apparently the article caught the attention of the Hockey News.

Well, it got a response.  From none other than Matt Larkin himself at around 11PM CST on December 3rd.  I now submit to you that candid conversation, via Twitter in its entirety so you can judge it for yourself before I offer my two cents.

It started with this Tweet.

Dec 3 –  Give me a follow please, Derek.

Shortly thereafter I got this from Mr. Larkin via Twitter direct message:

“Hey there Derek. Your diatribe came to my attention today. I started at THN in 2011-12. Any  work you did that sourced or credited us came before I started there.

I have never seen any of your work before today. My ideas are my own and any similarities are pure coincidence.

If you are going to put as much time as you clearly have into a detailed plagiarism accusation, do your homework next time please.”

I tried to respond to him, but since he was not following me it was not allowing me to direct message him back.  Since I figured he could still see my feed I began to respond with some tweets of my own via my Twitter handle @StateofHckyNews.

“@StateofHckyNews – I know this might seem random, but if you didn’t work somewhere yet, you are not accountable to site sources before that time, so I’m told.

@StateofHckyNews – It would’ve saved me a lot of time. I am sure a lot of college kids wish they could hide behind such a shallow excuse.

@StateofHckyNews – Sorry man, didn’t happen before I started there, not my problem. I don’t have to give credit for anything done before I got here.

@StateofHckyNews – I guess if I started a stand up act, and just re-did all of George Carlin’s jokes I guess people should respect that, since he told pt1

@StateofHckynews – A fair portion of them before I was born. The 7 Words you can’t say on Television, fair game according to some I doubt comedians would agree”

Mr. Larkin started to respond to these tweets and a sort of back and forth dialogue took place.  In an attempt to provide transparency (and to prevent anyone of accusing me of doctoring the Tweets), I have entered the conversation into Storify.

 So that’s the whole conversation with Mr. Larkin, which concluded around 11:50PM on December 3rd.  I am not sure how ‘homework’ on my part would’ve helped me determine he didn’t know of my original blogs from 2008, 2009 or 2010 or the Yahoo! articles from August of 2008 and 2009 plus the other works I’ve mentioned as well that were done on the same topic.  That would’ve required me to have crawled into Mr. Larkin’s mind and understood he had no prior knowledge of that other work.  However, a rather simple Google search would’ve revealed my articles and those of ForbesChristina Settimi, Bleacher Report‘s Michael Stuart and Yahoo!‘s Greg Wyshynski’s response to my earlier articles by simply using the words “Ranking Best and Worst 30 NHL fanbases” in the search queue.  All of those articles are listed in the top 5 research results, which now includes Mr. Larkin’s own article from 2014.
To also bring up his other point, about not working at the Hockey News until 2011.  Ok, is that implying that Matt Larkin had zero access to the internet until he became employed at The Hockey News?  That would be tough to believe for a person in the media business.  I remember all kinds of things before I started blogging and I search and provide credit for those sources if they can be found.  Is a person not accountable for anything that happens prior to their employment in the realm of journalism?  If that’s true then why is academia doing that?  Why are students, teachers, professors required to cite and identify sources for people who produced those things long before their current place of employment?
To repeat something I said above, I never once accused Matt Larkin of plagiarism.  I know it is a serious accusation to make for a journalist because their credibility is at stake.  Yet, calling them out for not doing their homework is an entirely different matter.  Homework is often what celebrates the journalist from the blogger.  By Mr. Larkin’s own words he is a journalist, I’m just holding his feet to the fire.  Maybe it was a simple case of coincidence, we’ll never really know for sure really.  It is all a matter of he said, he said.
If Mr. Larkin had been a tad bit more humble in his conversation with me I probably would not be writing this article.  Yet the accusation that I didn’t do my homework; which I guess had to do with me not understanding journalists are not to be held accountable for anything written before they work at a news publication.  I guess since I didn’t know, so its all good, right Mr. Larkin?!?!
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